DESCRIPTION OF PROBLEM: ======================= The example map, maps/disappearing_sliver2.map, contains an example of this bug. The triangle sliver surface in the middle of the room is not rendered in the final BSP. To trigger the bug, compile the map; you don't need -vis or -light. Only -bsp (the first q3map2 stage) is necessary to trigger the bug. The only entities in the map are a light and a info_player_deathmatch, so the map will compile for any Q3 mod. SOLUTION TO PROBLEM: ==================== It was discovered that BaseWindingForPlane() in polylib.c did some sloppy mathematics with significant loss of precision. Those problems have been addressed in commit revision 371. POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS: ====================== Great care was taken to preserve the exact behavior of the original BaseWindingForPlane() function except for the loss of precision. Therefore no negative side effects should be seen. In fact performance may be increased. IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION: ==================== Turns out that the problem is very similar to the original disappearing_sliver regression test. You should read that README.txt to familiarize yourself with the situation. The thing we need to look at is side 0 of brush 0, if you applied winding_logging.patch from disappearing_sliver regression test: In ParseRawBrush() for brush 0 Side 0: (6784.000000 16241.000000 -1722.000000) (6144.000000 16083.000000 -1443.000000) (6144.000000 16122.000000 -1424.000000) That is the exact plane defninition of our problem sliver, and in fact those are also the correct points for the actual vertices of the triangle. Now the results of the winding for this surface after all the clipping takes place: (6784.12500000 16241.02343750 -1722.06250000) (6144.00000000 16082.99218750 -1443.00781250) (6144.00000000 16122.00000000 -1424.00390625) As you can see, 6784.12500000 is more than epsilon distance (0.1) away from the correct point. This is a big problem. After we apply the fix committed in revision 371, the result after clipping is this: (6784.06250000 16241.01171875 -1722.03515625) (6144.00000000 16082.99609375 -1443.00781250) (6144.00000000 16122.00000000 -1424.00585938) As you can see, all points but one have an increase in accuracy. This is still not accurate enough in my opinion, but is a step in the right direction. MORE NOTES: =========== I attempted to improve upon revision 371 by streamlining the code in BaseWindingForPlane() some more. Those attempts were committed as r375. After revision 375: (6784.09375000 16241.01757812 -1722.04687500) (6144.00000000 16082.99414062 -1443.00390625) (6144.00000000 16122.00000000 -1424.00097656) Revision 375 has since been reverted (undone) because of the loss in accuracy.